South african ruins 75000 years old?

When historians first stumbled upon these structures they simply assumed that they were cattle kraal left behind by the Bantu people as they moved south and settled the land from around the 13th century. But research work done by people like Cyril Hromnik, Richard Wade, Johan Heine and a handful of others over the past twenty years, into ancient southern African history, has revealed that these stone structures are in fact more than just cattle kraal, but the remains of ancient temples and astronomical observatories of lost ancient civilisations that stretch back for thousands of years.
These circular ruins are spread over thousands of square kilometres. They can only truly be appreciated from the air, and those lucky enough to view these ruins from the air will be able to see hundreds of ruins in a one-hour trip.
Many of them have almost completely eroded or have been covered by the movement of soil, while some have survived and still display the great sizes of the original walls that stand 2,5 metres high and over a metre wide in places. Prof Guy Charlesworth of Wits University concurs that if these were the original heights of some of the walls, it would have taken thousands of years to erode to knee-height through the effects of nature alone.

An ancient road structure that is still visible for hundreds of kilometres once connected most or all of these ruins. It becomes evident that this was no accidental settlement but a well planned and evolved civilisation that were mining gold and had some means of transport. Extended agricultural terraces are spread over large areas, often resembling scenes from the Inca settlements in Peru. This would suggest that these people had a good knowledge of agriculture and planted produce extensively.

There is no real count or audit of these ruins at present, but it is estimated by those who have been flying over them for many years that there must be around 20,000 structures scattered all over southern and east Africa.

 Source: Makomati


  Peni Griffin

September 15, 2008 at 6:48 AM

So where's the source of the 75,000-year-old estimate? Since that's approximately twice as old as the oldest cave paintings it would be a startling and wondrous date, if substantiated, but I don't see anything in the article that backs up the headline.

Lost civilizations are always good. It's not necessary to pull absurd dates out of thin air to sex them up.

  Dave G.

September 15, 2008 at 7:47 AM

I wondered the same thing as peni. There is no mention of the 75KYA date in the article, nor any hint at archaeological work that could establish that or any date.


September 16, 2008 at 4:13 AM

How old is the author? 75?


September 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Not sure if it is of any assitance, but a google search reveals that there was a portion of the article lopped off. See

  fred Lovett

September 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM

in the late '70s, I owned a piece of ground north of Johannesburg, by about fifteen miles. It was a north facing slope, where I almost found water but couldn't afford to go deeper.

On top of the hill, next to my property was an oval of apparently stone wall, about 12" high, and probably 30 fett on the long axis and 15 fett on the short one, which always intrigued me. It had a good 360° outlook and may have been an old dwelling. It was obviously man made. Unfortunately I left SA before I could go into it further, but I can see how these remnants can be overlooked in the rush of modern civilisation.

I think, if I had had more time to spare, I might have got onto someone at Wits to give me an opinion.



September 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM

The age of the ruins were determined by the amount of erosion of some of the walls - some walls were still quite high whereas others had eroded substantially.

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September 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Weren't there some negroid stone heads that turned up in Mexico? I think they were thought to be Olmec. Graham Hancock wrote a book regarding a supposed early "mother culture".


September 19, 2008 at 2:38 AM

Okay, i don't want go off track here and i don't want to go into too much detail, but i'm a christian 'creationist'! the greatest science book on earth to me is the bible... and according to what i have read and learnt in the bible the earth is only 7000 years old.

don't get me wrong, ancient historical findings fascinate me and i do allot of my own research.
my uncle is a geologist in the cape so i know a bit of these things.

i would say its DEFIANTLY not 75 000 year old! but could be at-least 3-4000 years old.


September 19, 2008 at 5:14 PM

No offense but, I think the difference here is that this date estimation is based on some actual science and not a religious philosophy.


September 20, 2008 at 5:27 AM

In the first place, those that believe the planet / world to be 3-4-7 ? thousand yrs old have been mind controled. Ancient history is not some thing that the "framers" of the Bible want us to know. If the people that lived there were digging Gold, I would refer to Sitchens writings on "The Annunauki" & the slave race they geneticaly manipulated out of Cromagna Man over a 400,000 year time span. These are the same mental midgets that say the pyrimids are only 7,000 yrs old.


September 25, 2008 at 3:34 AM

why is it definitely not 75,000 years old??? the egyptian civilization didn't spring out of no where. Stone age farmers didn't wake up one day (after discovering fire, then bronze) and say, oh, i think i'll build a massive pyramid today, even though i don't really have good tools to cut through hard granite and andesite rock; and wait, yes... i think i'll use incredibly massive stones too... the sort that it's going to take hundreds of people to move (some that our biggest on land cranes today couldn't budge - e.g. in baalbeck, lebanon.).. as for wooden rollers; the stones at baalbeck are so massive they would have squashed any rollers flat... and to add to that; i think i'll make it so incredibly straight and precise that we'd be hard pressed to replicate it today. Come on people, these guys were very SMART. they were VERY advanced. Actually, if aliens or an advanced race lived on or visited our planet in the past, what sort of monument do you think they'd leave behind? Might it be something like the great pyramid? Might we have to stop calling Von Daniken a crazy lunatic, and instead see him as an intelligent person (which he is). After all - which is more ridiculous - stone age farmers building pyramids, or aliens? I for one, think that aliens are less laughable.


September 29, 2008 at 10:37 AM

The structures are contemporary with the Great Zimbabwe ruins, and are ~ 750 years old.


February 11, 2009 at 9:40 AM

The age of the ruins were determined from back-dating Adam's Calandar, a "stonehenge-like" stone observatory (made from magnetically charged dolomite monoliths) discovered in Mpumalanga, South Africa four years ago. Researchers from the UK were called in to match and date the geographical layout of the stones with its corrosponding astrological alignment. Just like they did before, when they dated Stonehenge in England. The results were conclusive in pointing to a period somewhere between 25,000 and 150,000 years ago.


February 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I'm leaning towards Enki's underworld mining operation. But unlike some of the patronizing religious folk, I'll need some more hard core evidence before uttering absolutes.



February 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM's almost 2012 & people's minds are still controlled & manipulated enough 2 actually beleive that Africa is not the Cradle of civilization. Africans were never walking around stooped over savages in caves like cavemen/cave-dwellers. The Original Hue-man was of a higher I.Q. with absolute psycosamatic effects and powers. There are countless monuments that attest to these earthly hue-man powers thoughout the planet. We were not fumbling & bumbling trying to figure things out 150,000 years ago! OK? Now you know. You've been informed with correct knowledge. Do the math...Universal Language will always be the same!

  Robyn Mckelvie, BC Canada

April 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM

According to Graham Hancock's analogy, in "The Finger Prints of the Gods", the great pyramids of Egypt (Giza) are astronomically aligned with Orion dating back to 10,500 years BC. (the 3 great pyramids corrisponding to Orions belt/nebula)
Many ruins on this planet share this same date of supposed erection... like a giant callender. (ie: Angkor Wat in Cambodia is aligned with the constellation 'Draco' in 10,500 BC also)
This is scientific evidence...
It could be possible that these "South African ruins" are infact that old... it's possible- show me the evidence.


April 11, 2010 at 1:10 PM

The world definitely is NOT older that maybe 7000 years...

there was no such thing as dinasaurs, thats government mind control.

the bible is the only book thats true...

I am a creationist and Im a fuckin crazy psycho asshole but at least I can admit it...

I suck at life...


April 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Peni and other religious fanatics, go insert your bibles in your sphincters. Modern human (having equal brain as modern human) existed for 200 000 years(skeleton found in South Africa). If you are unaware, back in time there were multiple humanoid races(homosapients, neanderthals, etc..) and each race, each tribe in different region developed at different paces. Civilizations rose and fell, therefore it is very possible that these ruins are 75 000 years old.


June 9, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Wow, there is nothing to this article at all. Erosion dating? How can you tell? How do you know what the original height was? How do you know different sections were not built to different hieghts for different purposes? How do you know that (as happened frequently) parts of these structures were not disassembled to build elsewhere? Sorry, there is no science here at all. This is just a case of the author pulling a date out of their date. Does anyone not critically read things anymore? Do people just blindly accept whatever is written in front of them?

As for Graham Hancock he has be shown to be a fake. As has the creation myth. Jesus worked with metaphors and similes, why do people find it so hard to think Genesis might be the same?


November 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM

The Spinx alone is at least 10-12000 yrs. old given water and wind erosion evidence. The pyramids, being rock, are undateable. They most probably were built by a very advanced civilization. Not by means we would conjure and it is NOT orions belt people. Let me close that theory right here! It was aligned to the SOUTHERN CROSS. It fits more perfectly and the other sites confirm this alignment. The gold mines found adjacent to this civilization are dated sometimes at 50,000 yrs. old. They were probably mining gold for...Sumerian Annunaki Aliens from planet Nibiru who needed the gold element for life support so they enslaved and educated mankind to work for them..(maybe hahaha.)


December 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Rather interesting that these stone walls are very similar to stone walls encountered in the northeast United States, from Va to Maine, literally thousands of miles of stone walls and structures hidden in the forests, and small towns
Does anyone know anything about these?.


November 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Obviously ancient aliens


August 2, 2013 at 4:00 PM

First of all, the Holy Bible NEVER stated that the world is only 7,000 years old. It also says that before man repopulated the earth again after the flood;so consequentially before the flood, it also points out that the civilizations were EVIL! As far as science goes there seems to be much "speculation" as opposed to concrete facts. Even radiometric dating is full of flaws and can easily be manipulated in support of a thesis....which is an "assumption" not a known fact!

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